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I'm the local fixer at the Thai cave who helped Tesla out last night, ama!

Verificatiion: https://twitter.com/thanr/status/1015602674194997248?s=19

Background:

  • I've been in the area since June 29th
  • I'm a local fixer for American ABC News, not a reporter, more like a contractor
  • Been to the rescue camp site almost everyday
  • IT'S REALLY MUDDY UP HERE

Ask away!


Edit: It's been great, I didn't know there's this much international attention (even though I'm working with an international media agency). I'll get some sleep in a bit, 3-4 hours of sleep daily is unhealthy af, so I'd like to get some shut eye now.

I'll check back to see if there are unique and interesting questions and answer them :)

And please check ABC, especially Good Morning America and Worlds News Tonight! I'm doing this without their knowledge but I'd like to support them anyway, they have been very nice with me, and we are now the biggest and nicest media crew in the area.


Edit 2: redditors are magnificent sleuths. I got contacted asking about my personal info on my personal channels. I'll just say what I'm comfortable with: 28 yo., used to run a project management team in an American-owned company, made $55k last year working three jobs, want a full time job somewhere in the solar system, preferably with the MCRN; bachelor in telecoms engineering at 19yo, masters in management at 21yo. Plays PUBG (#regionlockchina) and Overwatch (hail papajeff), has a $4,000 gaming PC and PS4 and a Mavic Air those haven't been touched in a while, have a Nin Switch with me at the mudland but hasn't been turned on since I got here. I do some photography, instagram: @modernthan.

Now it's bed time for real, 3am4am local now. Thank you reddit, and I'll be back to answer some questions soon!


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Gihrenia

It's 9am local, all press has just got kicked out from the camp. Rumor mill says they might get one kid out at 1pm. Follow @thanr


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It's 9am local, all press has just got kicked out from the camp. Rumor mill says they might get one kid out at 1pm. Follow @thanr

What is everyone saying about the submarine/pod Elon's team have built for the children? Is it still being considered as a viable possibility? Seems like it will be making the 17 hr flight over to Thailand imminently.

Gihrenia

Governor press confirmed they are starting the mission to bring the kids out now. 4 first.


javiik

Reports of two of them making it out of the cave.

WobblyGobbledygook

How are these boys being fed? Are they getting any medical treatment & how?


Gihrenia

Thai military has a Superman inside with them. Dr.Park, he's trained with Airborne, Seals, Rangers, Commando. He deployed with MNF-I in 2004. He leads the medical efforts and all. The latest update is he's happy with their health and will start them on more diving lessons

They have been getting US MREs snacks and high protein and energy food. Nothing that would fill their tummies but will at least give them the nutrition they need to get stronger.

For minor wounds, they are getting frogmen gel.

eric-neg

Do fixers get paid an hourly wage or a flat fee? Can you get a bonus or tip if you land an awesome interview or inside information somehow? Also, is the wage based on the local economy or the US economy? (If that makes sense... not sure what a “living” wage is in Thailand compared to the US but I would imagine it is less. Hopefully that isn’t an offensive thing to say.)


Gihrenia

Flat daily fee. I'm currently some kind of a nerd god in Thailand right now, so I hope more doors will open up, I'm "officially" unemployed at the moment.

Local economy wage. I'm paid generously enough for a local, but it's 3-4 hours of sleep daily.

theburmesenomad

Any words about finding a way in from the Burmese side? Some Burmese citizens from Tachileik (across Mae Sai) reported that there is a team looking at the connections to the cave from the Burmese side. The cave seems to be just a few kilometers away from Thai-Burma border. We don't have the tech or expertise but it would be great if we could be of some help. Just wanted to let you know that we Burmese are following the news closely and praying for the safe return of the boys. Thanks for doing what you're doing!


Gihrenia

They are really far away, like 10km or something.

CB_puglover

Hi! Thank you so much for helping those boys/coach. My question is, the Dover who died setting up the lines, could it have been avoided? Did he run out of oxygen knowing that he was going to cut it close/run out and perhaps thought he could work through it? I'm trying to understand because if he was doing heavy labor like you said, shouldn't he have been more prepared? Not blaming anyone at all, I'm just curious in the details of why he died and how it could have or not been prevented. Again, thank you for doing this ama. Thoughts??


Gihrenia

I'll just put it like this -- they signed up for it.

Edit: I don't want to go too deep into this out of respect. He's 38, ex-Seal, doing airport patrols. Everybody wanted to pitch in and he has the right qualifications. It's tragic though :(

Superfluous_Thom

Do you think the current diving method they've been trialing could work? Or do you feel in response to the death of a trained diver, more engineering focused methods might be deemed more promising?


Gihrenia

Yes. I still trust that method, Plan A.

The diver who passed away was doing heavy labor (building the airtank ropeline) for hours before he passed out.

Engineering focused method could work awesomely or not at all, time is of the essence here.

mikeadocious

How are the parents holding up? I imagine they were so ecstatic when they were found. Now that they still haven’t been rescued it must be just devastating, especially with the rain coming.


Gihrenia

They were cheering from the family's tent and building in the camp when the boys were found.

Morale should be good but don't quote me on it, they have been communicating through written letters and there are footage of the boys. Check facebook.com/thaiseal

prankerbankr

What specifically did you do regarding "helped Tesla out last night"?


Gihrenia

I went up to the camp, made the folks in charge aware of Tesla's upcoming presence. Relayed some basic technical information to Tesla's folks and the Provincial Electricity Authority in Thailand (folks running the generator trucks, I woke them at 3am).

I got them patched in with the State Department (US Embassy Bangkok) and eventually the US military attache in Banngkok. The Embassy had a crash course from me regarding what Powerwalls are.

Now I'm out of the Tesla scene.

OhRiLee

Is there any possibility of an easier escape route by going deeper into the cave system and coming out elsewhere?

And what’s the general feelings towards the coach up there for bringing them in there in the first place?

I live in Thailand and have a family here and I don’t think many Thais are being critical of the coach for his poor judgement. I saw the familys’ note saying they didn’t blame him but what about the rescuers and the team up there?


Gihrenia

It's a dumb decision but shit happens. I hope and don't think the coach will get flaks from this. He kept the boys alive afterall.

ablack82

I’m following you on Twitter, thanks for everything you’re doing!

I’m sure it’s crazy on the ground, have Elon’s ideas been taken seriously? Or are there too many factors at play that the bag idea wouldn’t work?


Gihrenia

Afaik, they will gladly take the Powerwalls.

The rest, not sure, it depends on the folks doing the rescuing.

Personally I think the tube and the bag ideas are too complicated to pull off.

Thai mainstream folks are really thankful and wowed by the ideas and the help though.

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Gihrenia

Multiple bodies of water, really narrow path deep down into the cave.

Pumping capacity is not a big problem, they have got people from the biggest Thai oil company on the piping and pumping. Getting the pipes/hose in is the main issue.

KingKonchu

How desperate is the situation in terms of water? Is it possible that the water level will rise faster than the pumping and suffocate the platform which the boys are on?


Gihrenia

Unless there's some freakish storm, it won't get too bad, but weather up here could get unpredictable.

Suffocation like that unlikely, they will have to sqeeze in and share 10 sq.m. space though.

RenzelTheDamned

What's the general attitude towards the coach? Props to him for keeping them alive for so long. I really hope he isn't blamed.


Gihrenia

He wouldn't get any flak from the mainstream public, the fringes are attacking him.

IMHO I think it's a dumb thing to do getting into that cave near the rainy season but I also understand that shit happens. Mad props to him for keeping them alive.

Captain_Peelz

How often are you out in the field working? I imagine that the amount of people makes it so individual shifts are shorter, but I don’t know


Gihrenia

Our team is huge. I'm the head fixer/coordinator on the local side. I'd et 3-4 hours of sleep if I'm lucky. Sometimes I'd be at the camp, otherwise at our hotel coordinating drivers and fixers.

jbh1126

How did you get connected with ABC?


Gihrenia

My good friend is a fixer for NYT, and I was laid off from my full time job a week before the incident, so she referred me because I'm considered quite... nifty and nimble.

International agencies maintain a list of fixers in various locations.

GleepGloopGlop

Do the children have any blankets? Or padding to sleep/sit/rest on? The spot just looks so uncomfortable. I am glad the DRs are staying in now, because it must be hard for the Coach to try to take care of the boys mentally, and take care of himself. He must feel really guilty. He was all they have to guide them through the 9 days they were lost and stuck.


Gihrenia

Yeap, mylar blankets: https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos/10157418779888812/

He should be proud of himself for keeping the boys alive that long.

snt271

How does situation compare to that of the Chilean miners? Have they sent any mining experts used during that rescue? If not it is worth a shot to ask if they can


Gihrenia

From the governor himself. Chilean miner they had to drill 1000m but they have the exact location. Here it's 600m of drilling but unsure of the location in relation to the chamber the boy are in. I think they have coordination going.

Crimson_panties

What was the biggest concern about the kids who were in the cave? ~~ What I mean, was there any concern about serious injuries, death, starvation, or just general fear of being trapped?


Gihrenia

O2 level and CO2 level.

catdogecat

Do you think there is an issue of "too many cooks in the kitchen" from all the different experts coming in?


Gihrenia

Not really now, they vet experts and personnel quite extensively at the camp. At first it was chaotic though.

schafs

What is the plans to get them out exactly? I know the children dont know how to swim. Are they stringing in a guide rope?


Gihrenia

Yeah, pump out enough water then stick them in life vests and float them out, that's Plan A.

2009_G8GXP_for_sale

What's the food situation like there? Are there vendors? I've been curious about that since there are so many people for support


Gihrenia

No commercial vendors. Awesome donated food and drinks up at the rescue camp. There's even an espresso machine up there.

trailangel4

Two questions...one is semantics. Why has the media not been distinguishing between the U.S. Navy SEALs and Thailand's Royal Fleet Underwater Demolition Team?
Second question: I know panic is a huge issue and the boys don't swim at all/well. This may be a horrible idea; but, is it possible to move them in stages to the base camp within the cave? Also, while I understand that getting them out is the goal, if need be, could they push onward to the much larger, and better known, cave in the back where we know they'd be closer to fresh air and have more space?


Gihrenia
  1. The history of the Thai Seals Team and the US Navy SEALs are intertwined. Check this out https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Underwater_Demolition_Assault_Unit#/History

  2. It's now possible to walk from the 3rd chamber to the front of the cave. The big issue is to get them from their chamber to the 3rd chamber.

Pushing onward is not really viable imo, the cave is not fully explored.

Potatochak

I'm getting rather anxious, is the engineering team there yet? I also saw the tweet from James Yenbamroong that 10 powerwalls will be arriving in Chiang Rai at 7am this Sunday.


Gihrenia

Tesla engineers are in Bangkok now. SpaceX also sent a guy ahead.

Powerwalls look really intuitive and there are plenty of smart folks at the camp.

blue_mut

What are the odds of them bringing the kids out in the next week? P.S I followed you on twitter P.P.S thanks for doing this


Gihrenia

Can't say, I'm optimistic.

Thank you, and it's my pleasure!

nypvtt

CNN is reporting rescuers are posting warning signs right now indicating they intend to use explosives. Any idea what that's about?


Gihrenia

It's more like "No smoking, oxygen compressing area, explosive", at least that's the one I saw.

killervirus123

Where is the best place to follow everything that's going on in Thai ? Any good sites you reckon


Gihrenia

In Thai, the language? Follow @MThai and @ThaiPBS (there's @ThaiPBSEnglish) on twitter.

If you meant Thailand, the country. Follow AP, NYT, BBC, NHK.

And of course, please give some love to ABC News!

Murphysburger

So, regarding the boys entering the cave. It appears from the various Maps I've looked at there are several places where only a man can squeeze through, and not have his scuba gear on his back. Does that mean when the boys crawled in they were going, single file, through these tight skinny areas?


Gihrenia

Yep, that's why tandem diving is not a very viable idea unless they can expand the passage ways.

ryanjkontos

This whole situation is horrifying and I haven't stopped thinking about it for days, refreshing the news hourly. I wish more people really understood how bad the situation is. There's a lot of people that feel like this is almost over, but really other than supplies, and an Oxygen line (I think, conflicting sources) It doesn't feel like they are much closer to a rescue than they were they day after they were found.

I really really hope Elon Musk helps save the day. Some of his ideas seem a bit out there, but I'm rooting for him. What have his people been doing over there so far?

Do you think diving them out is a realistic option? I really don't see it. What do you think the plan is right now? What would you like to see happen? I have a gut feeling that something bad is going to happen soon. No one wants to do anything because every option is dangerous, and it's going to get to the point where they have to rush it. I hope I'm wrong, but I think the water levels and air are going to become bigger issues, and no one is prepared to evacuate them.


Gihrenia

Two big concerns at the moment:

  • Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide levels
  • The weather (monsoon season is coming)

Elon's batteries will sure help. Personally I wanna see some Boring Co's drills and maybe when everything is over, the flamethrower. SpaceX might have awesome ideas, who knows.

Check the governor's press briefing from today (July 7th), they will do something if they think the trend is dangerous. But they want to do their safest plan and that takes time.

One of the worst things to happen would be extreme raining.

dtej70

Do you think they will make it out?


Gihrenia

Yes. I'm rather hopeful. It hasn't rained heavily for a couple of days, but just now it has started pouring though.

DogHouseTenant83

Is there any need for heavy equipment? Or larger pumps?


Gihrenia

Think we are good with pumps, not sure. Czech government is sending in more gigantic pumps.

Raspberries-Are-Evil

This might be dumb, but is there a reason you are not able to simply drill a hole down to them or blast an opening?


Gihrenia
  • They don't have the exact location inside relative to outside. The hill is yuuuuge. It will take time, they poked 100+ holes in the mountain already.
  • Blasting is a bad idea imo, what if the chamber they are in collapses
jfgjfgjfgjfg

ABC as in Australia or America?


Gihrenia

America. Every time I had to introduce myself here I have to say "Mickey Mouse". We don't have ABC here on TV but we dig everything Disney's. People only know CNN and BBC here.

ThatHockeyGuy44

Did you know the Navy SEAL? And are there American Special Operations soldiers there helping too?


Gihrenia

I have contact with the Thai Navy Seal, nothing too big.

Afaik Americans sent a lot of personnel, the quiet professionals were the first to get there.

SuperJetShoes

Hi, thanks for taking the time to do this AmA, this is the best source of info I've seen about this awful situation. Can I ask, who is coordinating the effort? It seems that's there are many people and organisations involved, and that must mean many conflicting (albeit well-meaning) suggestions are being put forward. Who decides what gets attempted and what gets rejected?


Gihrenia

AP https://www.apnews.com/tag/Thailand

And of course Good Morning America and World News Tonight on ABC.

The now ex-Governor of Chiang Rai is in charge of everything, he's very well organized.

gassmano

Is this cave a commonly explored tourist spot?


Gihrenia

Not fully explored, too deep and dangerous. But it is a tourist spot, a minor national park.

rac3r5

Found an image of the cave How did they know to look inside the cave?


Gihrenia

Pattaya beach is the last well known place, but locals have explored further in.

[deleted]

How in the world did the first 2 divers find them? I can't even imagine how #1 they navigated the way they did blind and #2 how they were able to track where they were in the caves in order to make their way back out. Some intense technology at play I would presume.


Gihrenia

Either BBC or the NYT has a good piece on this, go find out :)

ThaAccountant

While heading towards the entrance - how long would the kids have to stay submerged at its longest?

Are we talking minutes or hours?


Gihrenia

3 hours by experienced divers to the 3rd chamber, it's tough.

MagicMan58

2 Questions.... 1. If they are able to successfully bore into the cave from above, could they use rescue capsules like they did in Chile?

  1. I do not know the schematics of the cave, but if space allows, what about sealed capsules with oxygen lines to transport them individually out.

Gihrenia

Yes, if they hit the jackpot then they will lift the boys out, but it's going to be tough to dig a hole to get to them, the mountain is huge.

Elon has been tweeting about escape pods but the passage is very narrow, three dimensional and have weird contours.

rabbitdog1

This sounds like a stupid question but where do the boys toilet?


Gihrenia

Plenty of water in front of them, soo.... I guess there? No much food so I'm guessing mostly no. 1s.

xenofan293

Anny idea how they got that far into the cave, including past the narrow passageways? Were they already at the part they are at now or were they pushed back there by the water?


Gihrenia

Yeah every time it rained they had to go further in, but now it's kinda stable.

eastwardarts

Thank you for the AMA. Two questions:

Is there any way concerned citizens of the world can help this operation, with donations or in any other way?

Is there any way for concerned citizens of the world to communicate to the kids how much we care about them and are rooting for them?


Gihrenia

If you could, order a lot of Wellington Boots / Wellies and send them up to:

Pongpha Subdistrict Administration Organization

Tambon Pong Pha, Amphoe Mae Sai,

Chiang Rai

57130 THAILAND

That's the main donation center. They will not take cash donation though.

Go comment on facebook.com/thaiseal for morale support :)

yaannooz

Where are they pooping and how do they clean themselves after? Are they in danger from exposure to feces and inability to properly cleanse?


Gihrenia

They have a Seal Medical Doctor (Dr.Pak, look him up, he's like Superman) taking care of them. When they come out they will be in a sterile environment for a while.

theunmentionable

Generally.. how's the mood over there?


Gihrenia

Cautiously optimistic.

Nerddit1

Do we know how the boys themselves feel about the different options (diving vs sheltering in place) and more about how diving lessons are going?


Gihrenia

Nada. I only know they miss their family and want to go have some feasts after. Can't say anything solid about the diving lessons.

null-void-

Did you meet the hero who lost his life during the dive?


Gihrenia

No. I met his colleagues though.

walloon5

How are they communicating, are they using special Cave Radios like the HeyPhone?

http://bcra.org.uk/creg/heyphone/


Gihrenia

2-core cooper wire and analog phones. There's legit fiber optics going in with the copper wire though.

gc817

I understand that Thailand has a convoluted situation when it comes to decision making. Who’s calling the shots?


Gihrenia

The now ex-Governor of Chiang Rai is the one calling the shots, go/no go will come from him.

Interestingly he has a Masters degree from the US on Geodesy, like geographical mapping. Talk about the right man at the right place but awful situation...

Here's a paper of his: http://www.coe.or.th/coe-2/download/documents/4_thailand_cadastral_template_final-Nov18-checked.pdf

flexylol

Asian in Thailand liking Schneider Weisse? (My mind is blown now...)


Gihrenia

The hotel I'm at has 7 bottled taps to choose from, it's insane.

My favorite beer is Blue Moon. My favorite whisky is Lagavulin 16.

I co-founded this online beer delivery company -- https://www.wishbeer.com/en/

sarcasticfkr

What all equipments have Tesla's team brought in?


Gihrenia

I could only say Powerwalls for certain. Unsure about anything else, Elon is quite public about it, check his twitter feed for updates :)

AziHaka

I'm sure there are issues with this idea, but in case it starts raining hard, is there any way to cover a large enough area over top of the cave to redistribute the water elsewhere so it won't fill the cave as quickly? I'm picturing some sort of massive tarp overhead extending as wide as possible that drains somewhere far from the cave. I know this wouldn't help rescue the boys but could perhaps buy them some time in case of monsoons.


Gihrenia

Tarps? No.

Dams? Yes, being constructed.

lurkerbutposter

Is there a possibility of sedating the children? It seems like they could be fitted with equipment and put under and more or less carried by the dive teams. Sure it's not an ideal solution but neither is a truly panicked teenager endangering not just their lives but the rescuers and fellow kids...all in all this is a scary situation.


Gihrenia

Don't think so (guessing), too dangerous, can't monitor their health effectively if they are KO'ed.

PM_me_snake_tongues

What do you think of the back entrance theory? That there is a back entrance to the cave that is currently being looked for. Do you think this is likely to be found?


Gihrenia

They are poking holes in the mountain, but they are working from state-of-the-art scanners, but still it's almost poking in blindly. The mountain is huge and the chamber they are in is small.

elijknyg

I don’t have a great imagination, is there some animation or illustration of what the the situation is? Like where the team is stuck and what the route is to get out


Gihrenia

BBC has a good map, but you'll have to do some googling.

Arrogus

I see from your choice of beverage that you are a man of culture. What is the beer selection like in Thailand?


Gihrenia

Awesome, I co-founded this online beer delivery company: www.wishbeer.com

I'm usually a single malt guy though, Lagavulin 16 is my favorite.

staticusmaximus

What are you seeing right now? I am getting wind that green tarps have gone up blocking view of cave mouth and the operation is now ongoing to free the kids and coach. Are you able to confirm this?


Gihrenia

I just got called up to the camp, I'll go see for myself. 4:15am local...

pm_me_ur_smirk

Are you aware of the efforts by Dutchman Jeroen van Heck? Apparently he leads a world-class pumping specialist company, and is consulting there at the moment.


Gihrenia

I heard the Dutch showed up a couple of days ago but that's it. All helps are appreciated.

TrCCper

Can you explain the escape pod idea that Elon was tweeting about?


Gihrenia

I have some ideas of what it could be but I'd rather have Elon explain it himself.

OliMonster

Is there enough air for them to breathe? For so many people in an enclosed space, they must only have a finite amount to use up. Would it be an idea to start pumping in fresh air, or at least provide them with O2 monitors? As an added bonus, positive air pressure may ease the load on the water pumps a little bit.


Gihrenia

Yeah it's a major concern but the authorities are on it.

IntellegentWittyName

Thank you for doing what you are doing. What do you think the cost of the whole operation will be?


Gihrenia

Somewhere in the USD billions.

spinur1848

When they talk about drilling, do they just mean drilling air holes and/or widening tunnels to get the kids out, or are they also thinking about drilling drain holes so the water doesn't accumulate so much?

Seems like it would be easier to drill down and out than trying to drill from the top to the boys.


Gihrenia

All options are considered. Groundwater has been pumped out continuously, it resulted in a huge fountain at the camp's front where everyone went and wash their boots/shoes after wading through the mud.

Drilling down is tough because the mountain is huge and the chamber is small.

iamjuls

Please elaborate on how you helped Tesla / Musk?


Gihrenia

He asked me a technical question and I went up to the camp to find out. Got them hooked up with the right folks (State Dept. and Thai govt.)

TinFoilRobotProphet

How deep is the deepest water in the chambers? Are all of the chambers being drained?


Gihrenia

I don't know myself.

1st, 2nd, 3rd chambers are drained. The path between the 3rd chamber and the boys are problematic, multiple bodies of water and narrow passages.

Ash1989

Forgive my ignorance, but what can’t they do a multi stage rescue (I already understand the implications with the kids diving) Move all the kids to the next section one by one moving them closer and closer to the entrance? It looks like from the diagrams that it’s not one big long dive but rather several with patches of above water walks. Or move them to another section where it would be more feasible to drill, like where it’s only 400m vs 1km.


Gihrenia

The longest stretch is like a 2-3 hours dive by experienced divers. If they could get the boys to the 3rd chamber then they can walk out, it's dry from there to the front of the cave.

catdogecat

What kind of food do they serve all the people in the rescue operation?


Gihrenia

All kinds of Thai food. Halal food. We even have pizza and kfc delivery up at the camp.

Also, an espresso machine, really good covfefe --- https://twitter.com/JamesAALongman/status/1014081650848862209

Mercysh

After all of this is over, and hopefully everyone is safe. What happens to the costs? Are they on the government? Is the coach charged money?


Gihrenia

The government (i.e. the taxpayers) will absorb it. Think we'll be fine with that.

Kaystar9

What's your thoughts on Elon Musk getting involved?

How do you think he'll be able to help?


Gihrenia
  • Powerwalls!
  • Ideas with extensive testing

I mean the guy aimed to get to Mars, getting into a deep cave should be a good challenge for him to tackle.

xubax

Someone I've been chatting with had promised a bucket brigade of divers to lead the kids out. Basically a diver every meter or so, staged to get in the water where they're needed to hand off the kids.

Can you explain why this idea is ludicrous?


Gihrenia

Not enough experienced divers, also the longest path is 3-hour by experienced divers.

omgwtflols

Do you think Elon's people (Tesla/Boring/SpaceX) will really be able to help?


Gihrenia

Yes, at the very least I know the Powerwalls will help. The rest, not so sure. Elon employs the brightest minds in the world, so I'm positive about this.

Kongregater123

What have the children been given for nourishment and have they had any contact with their grief-stricken parents?


Gihrenia
  • Fed with high protein and high energy boosters, and US MRE snacks
  • Contacting throughl etters and recorded video, really touching
vandalsavagecabbage

How is Tesla helping?


Gihrenia

Powerwalls to start off with.

darren870

Are the Brits who found them still there and helping/diving? Or has it been all turned over to the Thai Navy seals?


Gihrenia

5 Brits divers now, they lead the op for now.

Avachiel

Do the children currently have somewhere dry to stand on, food, and entertainment?


Gihrenia
  • Yes, a piece of land enough for them to sit around and lay down
  • US MREs, High energy and protein food
  • 4 Seals keeping them entertained and educated
crb525

I don't know how to track the latest posts. How have the boys been triage? Weakest out first? Strongest out first? Thank you I am following story closely


Gihrenia

That's the words so far, weakest out first, no confirmation. Right now one is in critical condition.

oscillation1

This might be a silly question but I’m very curious. Are the pumps gas powered, electric powered, or both? How loud is the cave’s immediate surroundings?


Gihrenia

Electrical. You can hear humming from all the generator trucks.

Intellefire

Are the pumps on site of the same caliber of the ones used during the 2011 floods? Or greater? เป็นคนไทยนะครับ


Gihrenia

Stronger. Go look up the specs of the พญานาค pumps. The Czech government is supposedly sending in stronger pumps as well. But you have to also consider the efficiency of the pump as well (size vs. volume) ครับ!

FeatheredSun

Aren't there mining companies that have the equipment to bore large holes and dig out passageways? Are any of those companies present?

I mean, there are some pretty substantial coal mines in the Eastern US that - you would think - make this cave look small and paltry by comparison. Where are the engineers for those companies in this situation?


Gihrenia

Small underwater drills will be awesome.

teetuh

Do you think sedative medication will be used for the actual journey out of the cave? To decrease oxygen demand or prevent panic that could endanger progress?


Gihrenia

It will make it super hard to monitor their conditions if they are KO'ed. Better do it when they are conscious.

irishfro

What plan of action do the rescuers think will be the most successful?


Gihrenia

Drain the water, put them in life vests, and float them out

g33k0u7

Why did the British divers leave so abruptly?


Gihrenia

They are now back with reinforcements.

ubspirit

Is there any chance these kids will survive?


Gihrenia

I'm cautiously optimistic. The whole world is throwing everything at this to help.

ThaAccountant

If the kids are extraced tandem-style with a pro-diver.

What are the instructions to the pro-diver if the kid panics and becomes a liability?

I read the longest time submerged during the extraction is 3 hours, so unfortunealty It probably will happen?


Gihrenia

No idea what would happen (it would not be good), but nobody likes that idea, so that's the last resort.

jjett89

What exactly is occurring right now in terms of rescue status and the overall condition of the boys and coach? Is what Elon Musk proposing in any kind of planning or preparation stages or is it more hypothetical at this point?


Gihrenia
  • Pumping out water, training the kids basic diving skills, minimal diving would be ideal
  • As strong as they could be physically and mentally
  • Check Elon Musk's twitter. At least he will get Powerwalls here.
THEONEBLUE

Is money an issue of any kind. Is there a way to donate to help out the situation?


Gihrenia

If you could, order a lot of Wellington Boots / Wellies and send them up to:

Pongpha Subdistrict Administration Organization

Tambon Pong Pha, Amphoe Mae Sai,

Chiang Rai

57130 THAILAND

That's the main donation center. They will not take cash donation though.

Go comment on facebook.com/thaiseal for morale support :)

infiniterecluse247

Hi. How many ambulances and how many helicopters did you witness leaving the camp site after the first rescue? Thanks for your amazing work.


Gihrenia

Not personally but the first rescue involves 1 heli (2 kids) and 2 ambu (2 kids).

britzeal

Have you seen any of Elon Musk’s team in the area after he tweeted he would help? What do you think of his plan?


Gihrenia

I haven't been up to the camp today. A SpaceX engineer supposedly landed in town. Plenty of Tesla/SpaceX engineers in Bangkok right now. He is dead serious about this, and he's working on more feasible plans.

ExpertFudger

Nice to see a fixer, chum! How many upgrades do you got? What's your deck?


Gihrenia

MTG? I haven't played since Urza's saga. I really wanna get back in though, not buying rares and stuff but I just wanna get some starter decks and duke it out with my buddies.

Back in that meta it's black and red. Burn fast and piss people off mwahahahahaha

If I got it wrong, PM me. I'm very curious about this comment :D

mjr861

Do you think the rescue will happen today?


Gihrenia

I hope so but I don't think so.

tearl08

How are these kids getting these letters out to their families?


Gihrenia

Divers.

infiniterecluse247

Do you know if they have shoes for the children in the parts where they have to walk out from the cave? Do you know the temperature of the water inside the cave? Is the 6th Boar out?


Gihrenia

Not sure about shoes. Groundwater is cold like 5 C, but should be warmer inside the cave. 8th boar out.

Hyaenidae73

I’m worried their air is really running too thin. How are their oxygen levels?


Gihrenia

The rumor mill today said they hit 15% O2 level. 12% is the red line.

Think they have a solution being executed now.

menscyt

Do the boys get any updates on WC results?


Gihrenia

I think so. Otherwise they will have a great laugh that many of the big teams went home already, especially Germany, Portugal, Spain, and Brazil.

I'm glad Nemanja Matic is getting his well-deserved holiday!

_tpyo

What are the options that are going to forced if conditions worsen? Is it genuinely impossible to just give the kids diving gear and take them out the same way the divers got in?


Gihrenia

The worst option is the stick masks on them and pull them out. Nobody likes this option but it's the most pragmatic one if Murphy's Law kicks in.

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How has Elon Musk contributed so far? I know he’s sent his engineers in but have they brought in any further technology expertise/improvement? Thank you again for doing this!


Gihrenia

Can't say, don't know. They are doing their best.

Kongregater123

What is the immediate plan of action after all the people are out of the cave?


Gihrenia

With the family in the hospital, all sorts of recovery, aaaaand maybe world cup's final.

timl132

What kind of food do these kids get? And do you think it is feasible to pump out the water from the cave? How did the get in in the first place, if it are such small paths in some places?


Gihrenia
  • US MRE snacks and high protein / high energy food
  • Yes, as much as possible
  • They walked in then heavy rains trapped them
LordJournalism

I just wanted to say what you’re doing, along with everyone else, is amazing. All the effort to try and save these kids is so reminiscent of the time I spent in Thailand and how amazing everyone was.

Because we have to ask a question, when can EST come to America’s drink shelves please? I miss it.


Gihrenia

You like Est!? Wow.

I'm on team water or Coke Light.

Dare89d87

I saw an article regarding Elon Musk heading over there and the idea of inflating a tube through the tunnels to get everyone out. Has this been discussed further? Is it feasible?


Gihrenia

He's now testing mini-subs for the boys. Better that he's in the State, more resources and facilities.

gameofbananas

What does a Tesla have to do with this?


Gihrenia

Elon Musk is thinking and testing out various evacuation methods. Tesla is bringing over Powerwalls.

Fortunatious

Any word on what the Space X and Boring Co. engineers plan to do to contribute? Are they advising, or are they going to try and invent some on the spot solution?

Follow up: are the Elon musk employees actually engineers, are they public relations/marketing folks, some combo of both?


Gihrenia

Engineers afaik. They want to study, design, test, and bring in as many help as possible.

tacomamajama

Now reports (NYT, for one) are saying 3 boys and coach are out, rather than 4 boys. What are you hearing?


Gihrenia

4 boys officially. The rumor mill is uber crazy tonight though, if it's true then in 6 hours you'll see something big.

zikifiso

What happened with Tesla/Elon musk’s idea?


Gihrenia

Ongoing. The weather situation is not good this weekend so they went in.

clmns

Is there a big risk of another diver losing his life? In how much of a hurry are the operations at the moment? I assume getting them air and food was a priority


Gihrenia

I don't know myself, the governor said they will try to minimize the risk, op is still going strong afaik. You are right about the priorities, air, food and rescue.

aureliuna

How were the boys found? How do they communicate with y’all?


Gihrenia

Letters and recorded video footage for now. They are working on getting copper wires and fiber optics in.

ShelSilverstain

What are the chances that a drain can be drilled into the trapped water?


Gihrenia

If they can see it and get equipment to it, sure. But you have to be aware that it's super narrow deep in there.

Merpedy

I asked this in one of your comments but may have better luck here. You now longer seem to be on site or directly in the loop, so how are you verifying any reports on the children/coach?


Gihrenia

I can't give the exact figure, but we have multiple teams. I'm the guy vetting all the reports as well.

ChosenCharacter

Do you think water pumps (like the one Elon Musk's donating) will be able to drain the cave successfully?


Gihrenia

Afaik he's doing battery packs, drills, tubes, pods. Nothing about pumps.

They have drained half the path, but then it got more difficult, check my other answers.

CoolBreeze2000

Did you get to talk to the boys about what was happening and were any injured?


Gihrenia

No way. I'm with the press. We won't get to talk to them any soon.

Only minor injuries like scratches.

thereyouarenow33

It's more than an understatement to say that time is of the essence here. Is there any reason why a multi rescue approach is not worth trying? Go for the original attept with the divers trying to get through, let Elon loose with his ideas......and anyone else who can come up with an half feasible strategy. As long as they don't interfere with each other's efforts


Gihrenia

They have to make sure of minimal margin of error. Test and test again. There are a couple of approaches being done simultaneously (pumping, drilling, etc.).

forthefreefood

Why are you on reddit at a time like this? I would think getting enough sleep and being on your A game is most important!

Edit: Rephrased so I didn't sound like such an asshole.


Gihrenia

I just got called up to do some errands at the camp, going back to bed now then maybe back up in three hours. It's madness. I normally sleep 7-8 hours per day and bring my A game too.

amanhasnonames

Do you think tesla/ boring company will be able to make an impact in the rescue operation?


Gihrenia

Don't know if it will be big or small, but they will definitely make an positive impact.

The whole nation is hyped about this (middle-class want Tesla cars but only the rich gets the imported ones, and Elon is of course the nerd god here).

GrandMoffAtreides

I know the boys have been trained in at least some rudimentary diving techniques, but I also heard that some of the boys didn’t even know how to swim prior to this incident. Do you know what the plan is if they get too tired while underwater? Or if they panic?


Gihrenia

Ideally they will be floated out with life vests. But in case 'shit happens' again, they will have to dive out, but everybody hates this idea.

BOBSMITHHHHHHH

Have people in the past gotten lost in those same caves and ended up on the local news?


Gihrenia

Not on the news recently, but one guy was lost in that cave for 20-30 days last year.

MaximumGaming5o

How do companies find fixers?


Gihrenia

Referrals, they usually keep lists too.

nastafarti

This might be already brought to your attention, but the link for "fixer" included in the headline has a small syntax error that misdirects people.

Also, fascinating work. So, you're like Dith Prahn in The Killing Fields, essentially?


Gihrenia

Yeah Markdown gets really messy with parenthesis, reddit should fix this. /u/spaz come on man.

Fightiiing

Is it true the kids heard noises like a dog barking, etc? Or did they not really hear anything?


Gihrenia

Can't say nothing about this, rumor-mill type of thing.

miked00d

Elon Musk says that they might be making a tiny submarine to get the kids out - any more info on this?


Gihrenia

No, I'm no longer in the loop. It's great he's doing this.

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superzepto

Why MCRN? Dem Inyas always taking from da Belt.


Gihrenia

I like Bobbie Draper

billytheone

Roughly how many people are there?


Gihrenia

800+ press registered, 1000+ rescue workers. The authority is worried about space management.

Mr-WTF

This might seem stupid but why can't they run like a cable and attach them to it and slowly pull to help with the scuba escape?


Gihrenia

Weird contours, narrow passageways, poor visibility.

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Gihrenia

Not really, no.

Realityreallysucks

Where are the boys peeing and pooping? Won’t the water quickly become contaminated in the chamber they are in?


Gihrenia

There at the chamber, they can't go anywhere.

I think the officials have figured this out.

crowquillpen

Why not build a flexible tube for each section below water for them to go through? The entire underwater section of the transit system under San Francisco was built as a tube above water, then secured to the bottom of San Francisco Bay.


Gihrenia

Seriously tight angles.

smags007

Thank you for the awesome and insightful commentary. Can you tell us if any of the kids are being given any drugs to help with anxiety, depression, fear, etc., in advance of the rescue attempt; in order to keep them calm and reduce possibility of claustrophobia and panic?


Gihrenia

Afaik, none of those drugs, not popular here.

COOLBRE3Z3

Why not instead of using tanks for oxygen, they ran air lines from the surface? Then there's no tanks to fear getting stuck, just pull along the dive line?


Gihrenia

Narrow passage ways.

redpayaso

Can they build a cement wall a few feet high (or even sandbags) around the main entrance to the cave and any smaller entrances they are aware of, to keep future rainfall from draining into the cave?


Gihrenia

We have dams built. Light rain or short heavy rain are fine. Torrential downpour will not be good.

ssmco

They must have had flashlights going into the cave right? I’m sure the batteries died quickly though. How were they able to find fresh water to drink without light?


Gihrenia

They bought bottled water and a lot of snacks

ssmco

I feel this is an obvious question but haven’t seen a consistent answer. Why the delay between rescuing the groups? I heard about depleted oxygen but that didn’t make sense.


Gihrenia

It's really tough to get them out safely, dangerous cave.

Poch391

Have you heard the kids say something about their rescue or how they feel in their situation?


Gihrenia

No.

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have you met my annoying friend trying to get selfies with all the bbc reporters?


Gihrenia

He's my buddy, he's fixing for BBC but the selfies have been a bit on the heavier side.

You hear that? /u/superimpose

3110andrea

Is providing psychiatric drug in order to avoid to panic during the way out considered an option?


Gihrenia

Haven't heard of that, imo unpredictable

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Gihrenia

Thailand has something called "royal rain", which is essentially cloud seeding. The area is a jungle though so I don't think so...?

infiniterecluse247

Any words for today? I’m speechless!


Gihrenia

All out, alive.

infiniterecluse247

Do you have a local link for the wild boars team soccer Facebook page?


sl600rt

Why in the hell did they go into the cave?


Gihrenia

As another redditor put it: spelunking trip.

The cave is a minor national park, a tourist spot, but closed during the monsoon season.

absbyn

Hey !

Thanks a lot for doing this and your replies.

Is there anyway someone (engineers, professors, experts from a university) can assist in the current operations?

Is there any way to find out more information regarding the cave and current scenario?


Gihrenia

"hundreds" in various fields assisting

itsjustchad

I'm the local fixer at the Thai cave who helped Tesla out last night

huh?


Gihrenia

I know it sounds bizarre. The past 48 hours have been surreal. Check the top comments.

PM_ME_UR_GOODIEZ

Do you know how they got trapped? Did they get that deep and water came in behind them out of nowhere?


Gihrenia

In for an adventure, rained heavily, had to go deeper. Repeat!

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Gihrenia

Adventure and team building activities. Boys will be boys.

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Are you afraid that situation will get worse?


Gihrenia

It's a fear in the back of my mind, but I'm cautiously optimistic.

unicorneddonkeys

What's your favorite Taiwanese meal?


Gihrenia

Taiwanese? Of course their rice with marinated pork thing. Stinky tofu too stinky.

drewbopalous

Am I the only one that thinks it's weird that some guy inexplicably had a bunch of boys 6 miles deep in a cave? Has there been any explanation as to why they went down there in the first place?


Gihrenia

It's an adventure and team building type of thing, they packed a bunch of snacks. Not the first time they went in there. It's usually a tourist spot, minor national park.

i01001001

Are you aware that Bert Kreisher will actually shed tears if they don't make it out alive?


Gihrenia

We all would. Hopefully we won't.

Lukendless

Why not build a pipeline and drag the kids out through a tube?


Gihrenia

Elon's thought of that too, the cave is way too narrow at some parts

illerikill

Can someone give me a quick run down on what happened?


notLOL

What's your favorite memes of this situation?


Gihrenia

Surprisingly I haven't seen one and hopefully I won't see one.

Actually there's one but I can't speak about it. Too risky.

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Gihrenia

From this thread https://www.reddit.com/comments/8wsejy

Google "Thai Cave"

dragster45

couldn't they use some form of hard hat diving helmet so they could breath more normaly and then just tow them?


Gihrenia

That's the last ditch plan.

leia_princess

Why dont they dive the kids out?


Gihrenia

Too risky, narrow passage ways and it's 3+ hours dive.

lolbroken

So who will end up paying the bill?


Gihrenia

Mainly the Thai government. But I think all the international helps are for free.

ssmco

Hi! Any idea when they’ll start again?


Gihrenia

11am yesterday, no idea tmr. They need ~17-18 hours to prep.

AnonKnowsBest

How’d it feel to have someone with a sizable portion of your country’s gdp come on over? Were there protests?


Gihrenia

Ha? I hope Elon is not personally coming over, too much shenanigan.

Our GDP is USD 455 billion, his worth is around USD 20 billion, so that's 4.5%.

starrdlux

Do you know why they aren’t tandem diving like 1:1 to help the non swimmers?


Gihrenia

If any of the kids panicked, the diver and the kid would not be in a precarious situation. It's narrow, dark, and long. 3 hours dive for top divers from the boys to the FOB.

biggereballs

Why can't they get out with hookah line and cable to kind of drag them out quick?


Gihrenia

Imagine Tokyo Drift but with sharpy turns.

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has a $4,000 gaming PC

You play VR? If not you should dude! & how hard was it getting a 1080ti in Thailand?! Miners killed it, I had to order from the UK around November time and wait for a trip there in January to bring it back :/


Gihrenia

PSVR. Has 1080 before mining craze.

Nitr0Sage

Why not use a water absorbent like Sodium polyacrylate?

  1. Bring tons of water absorbent
  2. Pour into water
  3. Dig out absorbed water
  4. Repeat to bring them out, won’t have to worry about scuba diving

I am assuming that all ideas help. I am thinking on better ways.


Gihrenia

Speculation: Too slow, multiple bodies of water.

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Gihrenia

I'm good with computers; and I don't sleep much, well not anymore.

olliegw

Is there any possibility they could put somekind of submersible down there?


Gihrenia

Elon is working on a mini-sub, check his twitter.

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Gihrenia

Cuz Germans make awesome beers and I'm a snob.

DevilmouseUK

Is that a bottle of Schneider weisse tap 7?


lations

Could you make this any more about you? Your whole Twitter has been repurposed to be entirely about YOU being there at the situation site. "Me me me me me".


Gihrenia

It's my personal Twitter, so yeah, it's about me. I'm not a reporter, if I act like one then it's inappropriate. If you want the actual news, follow the news accounts.

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Gihrenia

They went in then it rained heavily, so they had to run in deeper.

Darkdemonmachete

Why not use a guide line and underwater lamps for light, hook one up at a time with a tank and have a rope with a latch on them so they dont get lost along the way, similar to rock climbing gear??


Gihrenia

Narrow passage, poor visibility. They have been building that rope line though, air tank every 25m. The diver who passed away was working on building that rope line, so yeah it's still very dangerous.

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